458 – Mexican Taxis, Drug Cartels, License Plates, Registration Stickers, Goons with Guns… and You! I’m not sure how to explain this one to you via text…perhaps it’s just better if you hit play and listen! 🙂 Joshua Please understand that I will not be able to respond to every comment. RPF Community Guidelines. 25 Comments Sarah on May 19, 2017 at 10:08 am Joshua, I generally agree with the parting advice at the end of this podcast, but equating a drug cartel with a democratically elected government in the US seems off base to me. A drug cartel is, as you say, a group of goons, criminals. Your local/state/federal government is constituted by representatives chosen by the voting citizenry. If you and enough other people don’t like the laws, vote in new leaders who will change them. A basic review of a high school government class text book will address some of the concerns you brought up – separation of powers, check and balances, etc. Part of this is my outlook; I don’t understand people who constantly complain about “the government.” Voters are the government. (It’s a lot more complicated than that, I am fully aware. But, when you get down to it – that’s the basic premise.) I’ve got a lot more thoughts on this episode about the nature and unappreciated role of government in our lives, but it’s probably best to end things here. While I don’t always agree with you, thanks for producing a good show! Vote for this: Reply Stebel on May 19, 2017 at 11:12 am Hi Jushua, to me, the answer is very simple: To government came into power through a democratic process so it has legitimate power, the drug cartel obviously not. Best Stebel Vote for this: Reply Alden Rothchild on May 19, 2017 at 1:25 pm The correlation between drug lord extortions and car registrations, is weak at best. Car registrations are used to help identify who owns the car. What happens if someone hits your son with a car and the driver is nowhere to be found? What are the first steps the police do? They check the car registration to see who owns the car. Is your life threatened or are your family members in danger if you choose not to register your car? Do you get death threats if you don’t pay your car registration? Has there been actual murders for non payment of car registration? It’s very cliché to take aspects of the US Government and compare it to every evil idea/entity/concept we can think of. After making the comparison to drug cartels, will you then move on to the comparison to Nazis or to Isis? Why stop at drug cartels? Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 22, 2017 at 2:39 pm Licensing is not used only for the saaaaafety of individuals. It extends to nail salons, massage therapy, and even hair-braiding salons, industries where no such regulation is even remotely necessary. It is simple extortion; another means that the greedy State feeds itself. And you’re missing the point. The THREAT of violence is all that is req’ed for the State achieve its goals. They don’t have to murder anyone for not buying a sticker. Instead, what they do – and this is genius – is convince people (like yourself) that they have your best interest at heart (etc, saaaaafety!). And for those who have swallowed the red pill (like myself and Joshua), the State needs only to slyly threaten us. If we don’t comply, our lives will eventual unravel. Fines will be imposed. Citations. Revoking of driver’s licenses. Potential arrests and jail time. Escalating letters from the IRS. Garnished wages. Plummeting credit scores. On and on. You see? No, it’s not murder per se. Just a living nightmare. Vote for this: Reply Marty on June 1, 2017 at 1:00 am Who has killed more little brown babies around the world, nazis, isis or the us govt? Vote for this: Reply Stebel on May 20, 2017 at 11:47 am Another thought on taxes: Of course one may debate if taxes are spent properly and whether a specific tax is necessary / justified. However, I am convinced that society has the right to claim taxes from individuals / companies. We humans are social beings. Nobody can live without society and the services of a functioning government. No business can exist without a functioning legal system. We are all using public services to some extend. And these services cannot be offered without taxes. Vote for this: Reply Marty on June 1, 2017 at 12:57 am Exactly how does “society” have rights????? Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on June 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm Marty, ain’t it funny how the indoctrinated gov’t teet-sucking drones love to wax about the “rights” of the “society”, not realizing that the societies exist of INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS. Do these INDIVIDUALS have rights that are worth discussing or protecting? Nah! Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 20, 2017 at 11:51 am In response to Sara’s comment that “the voters are government”…she could not be more wrong. Watch this: https://youtu.be/EUS1m5MSt9k Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 20, 2017 at 12:10 pm Just today paid my $100 fine to the State for the right to drive my own vehicle. Now I get a cute red/white/blue sticker to show my obedience. This means that for 1 year the guys with guns wearing costumes can’t get on my case for not having a sticker. (Sure, they can harass me for any number of other “violations”.) And what’s really neat-o is that $25 of the “fee” was emissions testing on my 2 year old Prius. That makes sense. And “Stebel”, do you honestly believe that “No business can exist without a functioning legal system”? Come on. Lemonade stands? Most of mankind up until 200 years ago? The entire ‘illegal’ drug system? My local farmer’s market that meets on some gravel parking lot where cash paying customers arrive and don’t demand arbitrary food-handling certifications? Binding arbitration agreements? And when you say “public services”, let me define that for you. A “public service” is what happens when the State takes your money, steals/squanders a large portion of it for itself, and then spends the remainder on stuff other people want. “Public services” can be replaced with private funding across the board. This has already been proven in healthcare, mail, education, and high level security. “In the political system, the State is a robber parasite that siphons off the producing class. It not only doesn’t add to production, but it subtracts from it, and disincentivizes the producers.” -M. Rothbard Vote for this: Reply Stebel on May 20, 2017 at 3:09 pm Kevin R., I agree that my statement “no business can exist without a functioning legal system” is not literally true. I rather meant to say that a functional state and legal system is vital for an efficient, healthy economy and businesses. But I don’t want to become too specific. My point is just the following: I don’t think takes are per se immoral or theft. On the contrary, I think a democratic society has the right to claim contributions from individuals and companies… at least in principle. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 20, 2017 at 6:32 pm The State is a leech, dependent on the production of the individual. “Since production must always precede predation, the free market is anterior to the State. The State has never been created by a “social contract”; it has always been born in conquest and exploitation.” -Rothbard And it is not “vital for an efficient…economy”. Efficient? No one in their right mind would call the government efficient. It is the model of inefficiency. Vote for this: Reply Alden on May 24, 2017 at 4:41 pm So many flaws in your thinking. Honestly, do you honestly think businesses existed without laws for less than 200 years? Get a clue! Companies in Japan have been functioning for over l,000 years. You can’t form a business without business law http://www.businessinsider.com/oldest-companies-on-earth-2014-8?op=1/#5–nisiyama-onsen-keiunkan-in-yamanashi-japan-1 It’s not a coincidence that the best counties for business also have strong legal systems created by voters. Hopefully you don’t live in the USA so you don’t have to pay for the red/white/blue sticker. Somalia might be good for you – I’m sure you will love and thrive in their open markets and legal system! Vote for this: Reply ScottK on May 22, 2017 at 12:56 pm The issues in this podcast are known in philosophy as the Social Contract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract The Enlightenment thinkers on this issue greatly influenced our founding fathers. See for example here: http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/federalist/context.html Our founders, especially Hamilton and Adams, clearly believed in a strong state. Although the government was weaker at the time of the founding, it was also founded prior to the Industrial Revolution. Any analysis of what our founders would or would not do should take those full facts into account. I won’t get into all of the issue here, but it seems odd to revisit whether we should even follow the Social Contract. For a discussion of the success of the Social Contract upon societies throughout history, Steven Pinker’s The Better Angels of Our Nature is a good start. While one could take issue with some of his interpretations, his discussion of societies with and without modern governments is useful and highlights archeological and anthropological research that tends to be downplayed. Regarding license plate fees, there are two issues of relevance: 1. Paying for the roads that we drive 2. Safety Roads are a quintessential Public Good that even most libertarian economists accept as a useful role for government. While one could easily argue on the best funding mechanisms for roads, license fees seem reasonable (and the reasonableness of them typically depends on the state implementing them). For the safety issue: vehicles are dangerous. Think of the typical reasons driver licenses and vehicle registrations are revoked: repeat drunk driving, dementia in elderly, epileptic seizures, etc. As a person whose father was killed in a vehicle accident due to no fault of his own, I, as a person who became fatherless at the age of 5, am very glad that our government acts to increase the safety of its citizens, really could care less if a bad drivers liberties are infringed, and very happy that we have “thugs” to get them off the road. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 22, 2017 at 2:51 pm “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Franklin And here’s some accurate perspective on the “social contract” nonsense: http://tomwoods.com/ep-865-taxation-isnt-theft-because-of-the-social-contract/ Vote for this: Reply Jordan on May 22, 2017 at 9:28 pm Joshua, I thoroughly enjoy your podcast. But I’ve got to tell you something: You are way, way out of bounds on this one. I subscribed to your podcast because your subject is “living a rich life now while building a plan for financial freedom in ten years or less.” Now, I’ve got a question to ask you: How in the heck does this episode (or any of the last several) have ANYTHING to do with that? I understand the police episodes to an extent, but a large part of those episodes were you reading from (what I would assume to be) a copyrighted book and then playing YouTube audio of other folks’ works in their entirety. When I was listening to this episode, though, and you started comparing legitimate government functions to the thugery of drug cartels, I decided I had had enough. My registration fees go to building the roads my car drives on – not to mention the trucks that enable our economy to work, you to have food to eat, the list goes on and on. Remind me how the drug cartels invest their protection money in infrastructure? But to be honest, when I hit the stop button was when you got in to blatant political statements. This is not your podcast. This is not why I subscribed to your podcast. Until you get back to your core mission (which is why people pay you for the show and why they subscribe and listen), I’m done. You’ve got an :incredible: niche podcast if you’ll just stick to it. I’m honestly a little embarassed I’ve recommended you to friends who are interested in the topic you :used: to cover. It almost feels like you ran out of material man. Please, before you destroy a good thing (and a substantial portion of your family’s livelihood), do some reevaulation of your core mission and the content you’re providing here. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 24, 2017 at 10:33 am Jordan, sounds like you need to go start your own podcast. One where you can hear your own perspectives parroted back to you. Heaven forbid you are exposed to a challenging idea or an alternative perspective. p.s. Come back and let us know when your podcast has reached ep.# 458. Then I will happily judge whether or not you remained 100% in-line with your mission statement of the show. Looking’ forward to it. Vote for this: Reply Jason on May 25, 2017 at 8:12 pm I’m a little surprised that Joshua couldn’t think of any differences between government and gangs. Perhaps it’s worthwhile to consider the reason Jesus taught “pay unto Caesar what is Caesar’s?” The threat of force is about the only commonality that I see, but even with that there is a process that government should follow in respecting civil rights and following due process (and there is legitimate recourse when this does not happen). Gangs have no obligation at all to respect civil rights, and they contradict legal authority. This episode did make me think a bit about what I would do in the given situation. Honestly, I would most likely pay the fee to avoid stirring up trouble, but at the same time be looking for some way to escape the situation. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 29, 2017 at 10:06 pm The Pharisees wanted was to entrap Jesus. They were wishing for him to condemn the paying of taxes to Rome, that they might imprison him. The parallel passage in Luke 20:20 says, “…who pretended to be sincere, that they might catch him in something he said, so as to deliver him up to the authority and jurisdiction of the governor.” Jesus has 3 options with this here Catch-22: 1. Outright condemn the paying of taxes 2. Outright approve the paying of taxes 3. Answer how he answered He did not pick #1, as that would have meant immediate imprisonment. His time had not yet been fulfilled. He did not pick #2. Note this! If Christ wanted his followers to pay taxes, why be sly? Why be nuanced? Just say so. Answer clearly, and move on with the day. Instead he was wise as a serpent (Matt 10:16). He shrewdly played to their belief that there exists a dichotomy between things that belong to the government and things that belong to God. Does the gold on which Caesar’s face is stamped belong to Caesar? No. The gold is the Lord’s. As is the air which Caesar breathes. Romans 11:36 says, “For from him and through him and to him ARE ALL THINGS.” There is nothing that is Caesar’s (the State’s) that does not also belong to God. Christ didn’t answer the question. He rhetorically juked them. Jesus shut up the religious elite; he left them speechless (Lk 20:26). He told us to give to people what they are due. But Jesus does not outright specify what belongs to Caesar. Not even the coin. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on May 29, 2017 at 10:12 pm And Jason, if you think the “Caesar” passage is one of explicit prescription, at what point do you disobey that “command”? Are you comfortable rendering 60% of your income to the State? What about 80%? How about 90%? For some reason I doubt you’d defend the State with shouts “render to Caesar!” if the gov’t took 3/4 of every dollar you earned. Amirite? Vote for this: Reply Marty on June 1, 2017 at 12:52 am Sad part is, all the govts combined do take3/4 of his income. He just doesn’t realize it. Hint, add the costs of regulations, and the layer of business taxes on EVERYTHING you buy. Ugh. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on June 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm And federal reserve bank inflation son! We’re getting up there in percentages for sure! Vote for this: Reply Marty on June 1, 2017 at 12:49 am Well, it is utterly depressing to see so many people snowed by the truly idiotic social contract line, not to mention the democracy is holy scam. Thank goodness for Kevin R. Rothbard forever! Vote for this: Reply Stebel on June 3, 2017 at 1:00 pm Marty and Kevin R., the way you two express yourself is depressing to me! You may not agree with certain things in your society, but calling your democracy a “scam” seems completely inadequate to me. Many people all over the world were happy they could enjoy the freedom of your country and democracy! Please don’t give up on your values! I firmly hope that the two of you are in the minority. Vote for this: Reply Kevin R. on June 3, 2017 at 1:35 pm Marty and I don’t take our freedoms here in the West for granted, as you imply. It is astonishing the wealth and opportunities we are all afforded. But you must understand that we are all being sold a bill of goods. Gov’t skooling and the media has trained us well. Our voting doesn’t matter. We are told that it makes a difference. That we “impact” our nation by pressing buttons at a kiosk in an elementary school lunchroom every 2 & 4 years. Voting simply gives permission for some drunk political buffoon to lie, cheat, and steal. It’s an endorsement of a system that actively works against you. “Representative government?” Show me one single government politician who actually represents us? We said HELL NO to Obamacare. Made no difference. We said HELL NO to more Middle East wars. Made no difference. Here’s what I want in a politician: I want them to sit in a folding metal chair in an empty room and say “NO” over and over again. Tax increase? NO. New initiative? NO. Speak to the steel workers union? NO. Fly on a gov’t jet to attend Michael Jackson’s funeral? NO. Go out to dinner with the CEO of XYZ? NO. Give a speech about anything at all? NO. Add a new regulation for this or that? NO. Man what an improvement that would be. Oh, and then there’s the issue of “democracy”. The idea that everyone has equal say and equal knowledge and equal good ideas. Just because everyone has a right to free speech doesn’t mean everyone has brilliant things to say. Or good judgement. So we live in a day where the lowest idiots in our society are being duped into voting for other retards in exchange for my money. The “democratic” process is one big gay popularity contest where the serial liars and corrupt thugs are “elected”. And just because some rat-hole, Muslim sandbox country is far worse off than us doesn’t justify the mostly B.S. system we have in place. We are lucky. We are halfway stable and free. But the house of cards WILL fall down. What then? Vote for this: Reply Submit a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Send future replies about this episode to my inbox.Get only replies to your comment, the best of the rest, as well as a daily recap of all comments on this post. No more than a few emails daily, which you can reply to/unsubscribe from directly from your inbox.